Talk:Main Page/Archive6

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Doesn't list some languages!

For example cantonese wu, those language has articles about 5000-7500. But did not list.However, some language only a few hundred articles are list.

(time stamping for archive - mC⁸ 20:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC))

Image on the top right

This image is used on the top right of the Main Page right now: .

I think it is not appropriate. The Chinese letters over it may even be a little confusing. I am going to remove it or replace it with a better image. In case you have a suggestion about what to use instead, I'd be glad to read you! - Huji ^reply 18:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh god. They are fine. there is an A and an E, too. LIAM !

Fine. I won't touch it for now. - Huji ^reply 11:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it really matters, but perhaps the wikipedia globe could replace it, but that may be too light. My suggestion. :) --Isis§^(talk) 13:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Huji that the globe of letters isn't really the best icon to have there, especially since it is usually used on pages that have to do with translation. The "a" and "e" are almost invisible unless you look closely for them. There are lots of other icons that would be much more appropriate there, especially since it is the main page and all. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 18:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I am new here, but I have editted English Wikipedia for about a year and agree that the image is not good.Tourskin 19:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that this image would be lovely! , but that's just my opinon.

Gwib^-(talk)- 19:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Haha, that's cute, dear Gwib :) But it's very distracting, imho. I personally prefer the one on the left; elegant, discreet, and its colors are appropriate to our Main Page's scheme. My opinion, too :) Phaedriel - 20:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Ooooooo, pretty. I like the globe, Gwib, but I agree with Phaedriel. It's a little distracting. :) In any case, though, it's better than the one we have. I like Phaedriel's suggestion, though. --Isis§^(talk) 20:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I've tested it at Main Page/Test 1. I personally like it very much... what do you think? Phaedriel - 20:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Great, Phaedriel! But, please remove that useless, ugly border square around the "welcome" tab. Ionas Rand [i.'ɔ.na.sız tɔk] 22:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Um...isn't there a nicer way to phrase that? Perhaps..."I don't really think the border around the welcome tab looks very good. Can you please remove it?" I feel like I'm picking on you, but the way you phrased it came across as a little harsh to me. --Isis§^(talk) 23:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Isis. I'm too mature to take your statement personally, Ionas, but I certainly find it to be rude, nonetheless. Try to remember that everyone on here has feelings and opinions. That border has been on the main page for weeks without opposal. Frankly, it looks a little silly without it, imo. The picture on the right makes the "Welcome" message off-center, and with the centered words below it, there needs to be some sort of a divider. But that is just my personal aesthetic opinion. I am willing to go with whatever the majority of users prefer. I just hope everyone else will express their opinions in a more respectful manner. · Tygartl1^·talk· 01:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I think I can fix that issue and test it, Tygart. Let me try, and I'll get back to you. Phaedriel - 20:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

=== The discussion was left alone without reaching consensus, I think. I changed the image to the static globe suggested above there. Check it out, and comment about how you like it and how it fits with the rest of the page. - Huji ^reply 14:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sister projects

I'd like to know why we still don't have a direct link to EWP among the icons at the bottom of the page. I know it is in the sidebar, but that is much less visible, and if we're going to have links to other projects there at the bottom, that should be the most important of them, IMHO. We also don't have a link to E Wikiversity. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 18:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I am going to edit the sister projects box a lot, to make sure it no more uses imagemaps, and to add English Wikipedia there too, as you notified. - Huji ^reply 20:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Still no sign of a direct link to English Wikipedia (except in the sidebar) or English Wikiversity. I'm not blaming anyone, but it has been over a month. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 23:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Both have now been added.-- Creol(talk) 00:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Oops! Well I'm not sure why, but Main Page was no longer on my watchlist, so I didn't follow the discussion here. Anyways, I've added it now, and I think I owe a "thank you" to Creol for covering this. - Huji ^reply 13:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Template

Seriously, this much text in Main Page is extremely unhealthy. Templates listed at the top of /Archive 5 should be reused or new ones created. ...Aurora... 07:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and I think I'm going to create new subpages (rather than templates) for that soon. - Huji ^reply 07:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

By moving the text to subpages, the main page itself was shrunk from 15K down to 2K. Each section got its own subpage to make editing a specific section easier than searching throughout the code. The box's themselves were not changed in any way, all formating for the actual layout of the page is kept on the main page. Only the contents of each box was moved to a subpage. The subpages are Header, Introduction, Knowledge groups, Other languages, Sister projects and Footer. The Article of the week section is a transcluded link already, so that was left alone. The page also uses {{MainPageInterwikis}} to manage its interwiki links. The coding was also tweaked to comment which sections are used for which subpage. -- Creol(talk) 11:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of Templates

Seeing this is a simpler version of Wikipedia, wouldn't it be wise for the {{fact}} template of this page to easier to understand than "^{[needs proving]}"? Maybe something like "^{[confirm please]}" or "^{[needs proving]}" would work better. --96.229.151.16 09:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

You should have asked this on Wikipedia:Simple Talk. Anyways, I agree with your idea, and am going to change the template to "^{[needs proving]}" - Huji ^reply 10:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Alrighty, thanks and well done. You should also change the suptitle while your at it. It currently says "The text in the vicinity of this tag needs citation." --^^Upper Hands^^ 07:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Done- Huji ^reply 18:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong link

Main Page/Other languages: The link to en:Multilingual coordination in "Languages working together" is wrong. Change it to en:Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination. 200.147.244.249 15:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed it. Thank you for pointing it out. · Tygartl1^·talk· 15:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

So white, (not) so right

I think that my test project must be added IMMEDIATELY. The White on sister projects table, etc. reminds me of Simple's roots. LIAM | LIAM !

VGAs

How does a VGA become a selected article? Should I just add short pages for the 8 missing ones, and update the code? Adam Cuerden 10:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Genrally, yes. But I think it is better for us to wait untill we have, say, 20 VGAs. - Huji ^reply 18:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough =) Adam Cuerden 18:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, indeed I noticed we already have 20 VGAs! I think it is the time. I suggest you to restart this discussion on the Simple Talk. - Huji ^reply 19:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

"Simple Talk"? Adam Cuerden 19:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Simple talk · Tygrrr^·talk· 21:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

To difficult

I think main page is to difficult, what do you say? Uswibèta 19:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC) (from WikiQuote Simple English)

Which parts are difficult? Let us know, so we can make them more simple. - Huji ^reply 19:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

No, not parts. The name of the main page: 'Main Page' is to difficult. I donot understand it? Maybe something like First Page is easier, what do you say? Uswibèta 14:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC) (from WikiQuote Simple English)

Would it be better to hide the title of the Main Page. Oysterguitarist 14:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

How to do you mean? Uswibèta 16:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

If you add the code below to the sites CSS, it will hide it. Oysterguitarist 19:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading {
    display: none !important;
}

Well, to my knowledge, "main" is not in BE 850 or BE 1500, but it is in VOA Special English Word Book. I don't think it is our "first" page; may be "home" page could be better, but not 100% sure about it. - Huji ^reply 20:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The information about the Main Page listed in its "About us" section says it's the Front page of the encyclopedia. For the sake of continuity :) I propose either that Front page be redirected to Main page, or Main page be moved to Front page. Cheers, and happy editing, ( arky ) 21:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Is good. Uswibèta 14:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be discussed on Wikipedia:Simple Talk so more users can comment on it. - Huji ^reply 15:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I think 'main' is fine, since front and first page are different. --Yegoyan 03:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Headings

Agriculture is not just "growing crops" - "farming" would be more accurate. 86.42.217.78 12:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Agriculture redirects to farming and the farming article says that farming is the growing of crops, I am not sure what you mean by farming would be more accurate can you explain some more? Oysterguitarist 15:28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Langue d'Oc link on main page

Langue d'Oc is actually the French for Occitan, not the Occitan! I believe lenga d'òc is actually what you're looking for. Mglovesfun 17:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused, because I cannot find the link you are speaking about on the Main Page. Can you please describe more? - Huji ^reply 21:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, got it! I'll check it against what is used in English Wikipedia. - Huji ^reply 21:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Done In this revision. - Huji ^reply 21:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

No category on main page

I suggest it should go in Category:Main page and/or Category:Project. adit 15:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

If you look around you will notice no wikipedia has it's main page categorized ('cept them crazy Danes.. but they likely did it by accident as it is trancluded there from their date page). Generally speaking, it tends to clutter up the main page and just all around doesn't realy help. -- Creol(talk) 16:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, okay, didn't realize it was intentional. :-) adit 16:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The main page should definitely not be categorized. Razorflame (contributions) Talk 16:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Order of Language links

Could you please put the language links in some order! It's quite difficult to find the right langauges. I propose alphabetic order. Thank you--85.5.149.136 22:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

They are in alphabetical order and by their size. Oysterguitarist 06:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

They are in alphabetical order but use the local name. So German is listed after Finnish because the languages are Deutsch and Soumi(?). Likewise Cornish is not at the begining but the middle (Kerenwyk)--Bärliner 18:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The Longman Defining Vocabulary

I think some people will find it difficult to use just the BE 1500. The Longman Defining Vocabulary has a defining vocabulary of 2000 words, which is used to explain all the terms in their dictionary. Could we add this list in as a sort of "upper level" for Simple English Wikipedia? 121.7.195.43 06:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Why not be bold and do what you want? Only you know what you want exactly, but we will do our best to help you out. Cypher ^T_C X§ 01-11-2008 • 00:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Correction needed

The second sentence here is a fragment, in the featured article: "No hurricane has ever made landfall in California in recorded history. Except for two tropical storms that were thought to have hit California, one by direct landfall from offshore, another after making landfall in Mexico." The two could be combined to make a full one. Seraphimblade (talk) 10:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Right. I will fix it right away. - Huji ^reply 10:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Image Uploading

Hey! I am new to Wikipedia Simple Wikipedia. So, when you upload images, do you have to upload them to the commons wikipedia and then copy the URL of the image uploaded on commons? I am kind of stuck here. Please help. --*JasPerTheKid ^(talk) 12:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

You should upload the image to Commons, and then use it here like this: [[Image:IMANGENAME.JPG|...]]. So we don't use the image URL, we just use its name. For more help about images, see Help:How to use images. For other questions like this, please ask in Wikipedia:Simple talk. - Huji ^reply 13:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a little help!

Hey! I know how to edit a wiki, but can someone please give me a link to the rules of simple wikipedia -(if there is one). I would be greatfull! Thanks! ;D! --*JasPerTheKid ^(talk) 10:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

What Simple Wiki is not. --Gwib ^-(talk)- 10:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:RULES - Huji ^reply 16:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

About...?

Who created simple wikipedia. Was it jimbo wales or...? --*JasPerTheKid ^(talk) 10:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales co-created it, I think. --Gwib ^-(talk)- 23:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I pretty sure it was Angela. Oysterguitarist 00:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Change link

Shouldn't someone change the Defence link to defense so it doesn't redirect? BirdsArmy Talk 22:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I vote to keep it "defence", but I'm a brit so I'm violently for normal good old English spelling. --Gwib ^-(talk)- 23:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Redirect, huh? When a page redirects it takes you to another page, right? (eg. let's say you search for 'wikipedia' with no capitals but it redirects you to a page called Wikipedia with capitals.) Does the user make a redirection or does it automatically make redirections? --*JasPerTheKid ^(talk) 14:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Youtube

It says on the article of youtube that the article is a stub. But the article is long enough, to be honest. Should I remove it? Is there a limit to how long a page should be without a stub template? --*JasPerTheKid ^(talk) 15:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I insist, Jasper. This page is only used for talking about Main Page. For such questions, please use Wikipedia:Simple Talk. - Huji ^reply 16:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Turkish is in 100,000+

Please move Turkish wiki on the main page to the 100,000+ section. Thanks in advance. —This unsigned comment was added by 88.235.25.200 (talk • changes) 15:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Done-- Lights  talk  15:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Broken Sister Project Links

Under the Sister Projects section of the main page, the links to the English Wikisource and to the English Wikinews are broken. I'm not sure how to fix them, maybe someone else could. They seem to be linked to the simple versions of those projects, but since simple versions don't exist an error message appears. Maybe you're already aware of this, I just thought I would let someone know. Thanks. --From-cary (talk) 07:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I fixed them, as well as a few others.-- Lights  talk  15:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Main page problem - needs an admin to repair

Today's selected article has the same paragraph repeated twice. ie the one concerning the violin being the highest pitched instrument. Victuallers (talk) 12:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed.-- Lights  talk  14:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Romanian and Catalan Wikis

These two wikipedias have 100,000+ now.

About us

This is the front page of the Simple English Wikipedia. Wikipedias are places where many people work together to make encyclopedias in many languages. We only use very simple English words and simple ways of writing here.

This is our frontline statement. And it's not a very good one! If I could edit it, I would.

• This is the front page of the Simple English Wikipedia. OK

• Wikipedias are places... No, they are not. They are not places. They are websites.

• Wikipedias are places where many people work together to make encyclopedias in many languages. Convoluted. Makes it sound like a factory printing books.

• We only use very simple English words and simple ways of writing here. The last noun/subject that was mentioned was the word "Wikipedias". Therefore the word "here" relates to "Wikipedias", not to "Simple English Wikipedia".

• We only use very simple English words and simple ways of writing here. This should read "We use only simple English words...." "We only use..." can mean a couple of different things, but not the correct one.

Can I suggest:

"Welcome to Simple English Wikipedia. Simple English Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that is written in simple English words, and simple sentences. Simple English Wikipedia is part of a group of "online" encylopedias called "Wikipedias". They are written by many people and are in many different languages. Anyone can be a Wikipedia writer. There is a list of Wikipedias at the bottom of this page.

Amandajm (talk) 06:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment 2

As I keep commenting, the list of Simple English Words contains a good number that are not really simple at all. A glance at the "A list" will reveal that "apparatus" appears on it. This word list dates from 1922. It is extremely narrow in its scope. Particularly where the Arts are concerned.

We need to include, for example, the most basic computer terms such as "website", "online", etc. Each area has its own vocab. We have just had a page moved from "Egyptian Mythology" because someone thought that "mythology" was too hard a concept. However, the word itself is widely used and understood in many European languages, and English-speaking kids usually pick it up the year after they learn the word "dinosaur", which is generally the year after they learn "Thomas-the-Tank-Engine".

Where this preamble is heading: Every page on Wkipedia has a menu option with the invitation "Change this page". So when some kid gets on a page and writes "poo poo bum bum", we really have no call for seeing it as vandalism. We invited them to "change the page".

The word for doing what we want them to do is "edit". It should have been included in the "Simple English List" along with "apparatus" and a lot of other equally hard words, but it wasn't.

My suspicion is this: if a person's English vocabulary is not sufficiently good enough to include the word "edit" then the person's vocabulary is probably not good enough to make really useful edits in English.

I would like to see the tabs that say "change this page" changed to "edit this page". Our several editors who have English as a second language generally have less trouble with precise and technical language than with basic Anglo Saxon. The Italian for "editor" is "editore", the French is "editeur".

Amandajm (talk) 06:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Selected article: proxy server

The selected article states: "Proxy servers are named this way because they act like a proxy (an agent or substitute) of the client computer."
This should be changed from "client computer" to "server computer" or just "server". As I noted a couple of days ago in my edit summary on the article, because proxy means "substitute", a proxy server is a substitute server, not a substitute client. Samev (talk) 23:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Simple wikipedias in other languages

Is there such a thing as simple wikipedias in other languages but English, e.g. simple Spanish or simple German?

--Jasu (talk) 19:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Claimgoal (talk) 11:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. But there's not "Simple" in the other languages.

Wikipedia Romania

Romanian Verson of Wikipedia already has 107.378 articles, and you can put it in the category 100.000+.

Thanks! --79.116.199.93 (talk) 07:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

• Done and congrats to Ro:wp editors for breaking the 100K milestone. -- Creol(talk) 07:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Error.

"Use easy words and shorter sentences. This lets people with little English read them." One can't have little English; it should be: "This lets people who know little English read them." · AndonicO ^Engage. 13:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and that's located here. · AndonicO ^Engage. 13:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Majorly ^talk 13:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Better, thanks. · AndonicO ^Engage. 13:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)